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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby harryfaversham » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:34 pm

I can quite believe it. Josef Mengele's post-war diary fetched £130,000 at auction
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby PhilGlass » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:39 pm

Value is placed on rarity... something is valuable becaus eit is rare.. so if someone was talented and good, their stuff should be worthless, if it's worth a lot then it didnt sell well, so they were crap. But in this shallow world we live in people think everything is worth something, when they're selling it, but not when they're buying it. Unfortunately, Wilfrid and Harry were nice men, and answered practically every autograph request so they can be found quite easily...

At least they're not worth faking in the scale of things, though I did once see one of Wilfrid's with his name spelled wrong :shock:
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby harryfaversham » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:44 pm

he was probably a bit Arthur Bliss'd lol
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby Dirty Old Yank » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:02 pm

It would be prudent to question publications/auction houses that purport the most valuable autograph in the world is that of Adolf Hitler. What is their motive for making such claims?
Obviously no one with their wits about them would pay more than most human beings earn in their entire lifetimes for Hitler's signature. There might be a few exceptions of course:
Those that invest in anything likely to increase in value, regardless of whether they understand it's implications or not (as is very often the case with fine art), or those so wealthy and/or jaded they've got nothing better to do than admire genocidal sociopaths. Not surprisingly their paths frequently coincide.
I've got some personalized autographed glossy's (none of them from confirmed lunatics thank you very much lol) and know some folks that also collect comedian memorabilia. Those autographs, for me anyway, are strictly nostalgia. Individuals I admire(d) and a time well remembered regardless if anyone else remembers them or not.
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby PhilGlass » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:35 pm

In 1994 a Hitler autograph sold for £37'000 in Sotherbys.

It is easy to say without supporting Hitler that a wartime autograph from him is VERY significant - he is the most important individual of the 20th century - that does not have to be a good thing - but the world is still feeling the effects today. Historically, a wartime autograph of his is very important and I believe history SHOULD be preserved on both good and bad sides. It does not imply that they "admire" him by buying it, on the contrary. They are choosing NOT to re-write history like Hollywood chooses to do (like the film U-52 where they re-wrote the second world war, in blatant insult and disrespect to those who actually died in it). History should be preserved. We should preserve the bad parts in order to learn from them, not ignore them and keep making the same mistakes.

His paintings and poetry sell for way in excess of his autograph!!!

I therefore respectfully disagree with the "anyone with their wits" comment (you know we are friends, and I respect your opinion and your right to disagree with me!).

As for the ones in question, it seems everyone involved in Steptoe was very giving with autographs, as I think I mentioned, handwritten letters from Harry and Wilfrid to fans come up for sale quite often, and I know first hand how Galton and Simpson communicate personally with us mere mortals. Those are the kind I treasure, those given personally, I can understand the appeal there. I guess that's because they are gentlemen!!
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby HILTS3188 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:49 pm

History should be preserved. We should preserve the bad parts in order to learn from them, not ignore them and keep making the same mistakes.

i so agree with this comment, i personally have mein kampf by adolf hitler and hitler by professor ian kershaw (without doubt the best history book i have ever read).

this of course in no way endorses the beliefs or facets of his personality but in so reading it we are enlightening ourselves to people like him in the future.

i read holocaust, the jewish tragedy by martin gilbert 900 pages of pure sadness, it affected me so much me and my wife are going to krakow in september to pay our respects at aushwitz.

this has gone way off kilt to the thread, i am sorry :oops: , i heard a debate recently on why people collect autographs of their favourite artistes ( i include myself in this, have steve mcqueens, paul newmans, the rat packs, leonard rossiters, harrys)

they reckon it our way of someway embracing a moment that their heros had, ie putting a pen to paper, and then you then in some way become part of that same moment, pretty deep but i can in some way see this point.

sorry about the hitler moment there
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby PhilGlass » Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:02 pm

No, DOY and I are friends, we regularly have interesting diverse debates. That's the good thing about this forum, the diversity of the people here.

But yes, let's move back to topic. Anyone interested in Laurel and Hardy should look at the Laurel and Hardy magazine website which has a fantastic page about fakes, how to spot them etc... such as when autographs came for sale supposedly signed by them on prints that weren't made until 2 decades after they died... that's what I call careless! I mean, make the effort people... lol
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby harryfaversham » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:19 pm

Wasn't the film called U-571?
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby PhilGlass » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:06 am

harryfaversham wrote:Wasn't the film called U-571?


Probably. They got ww2 wrong, I can get the title wrong lol
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby harryfaversham » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:52 am

lol true. I only remember cos Jon Bon Jovi was in it
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby Dirty Old Yank » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:38 pm

If autographs are the topic then there's no reason why Hitler's should be exempt, other than the fact it's offensive (please bear in mind, I didn't bring it up.)
Cheers Phil, I'll always be proud to call you friend. *
Which is why I'm not uncomfortable calling you out when I believe you're off tack lol.
Hitler, "the most important individual † of the 20th century"? I'm not taking that remark out of context or misinterpreting it. Why should a genocidal psychotic be most important? That's kinda like saying Ed Gein was the most important person from Wisconsin, Charles Manson from California or Peter Sutcliff from Yorkshire. Were they less important because of total body counts?

What of Mohandas Gandhi? Were his peaceful achievements any less worthy of note?
You can see where I'm going with this so I'll schtum.

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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby PhilGlass » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:03 pm

Dirty Old Yank wrote:If autographs are the topic then there's no reason why Hitler's should be exempt, other than the fact it's offensive (please bear in mind, I didn't bring it up.)
Cheers Phil, I'll always be proud to call you friend. *
Which is why I'm not uncomfortable calling you out when I believe you're off tack lol.
Hitler, "the most important individual † of the 20th century"? I'm not taking that remark out of context or misinterpreting it. Why should a genocidal psychotic be most important? That's kinda like saying Ed Gein was the most important person from Wisconsin, Charles Manson from California or Peter Sutcliff from Yorkshire. Were they less important because of total body counts?

What of Mohandas Gandhi? Were his peaceful achievements any less worthy of note?
You can see where I'm going with this so I'll schtum.

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Because w#the world is still feeling the effect of it today, our lives are still affected by what he did, therefore he is important. Had we not had Hitler, the state of things in Germany, we could have ended up with someone much worse. We could have been having this conversation in German right now. Anyone who changes the world is important to it, whether good or bad. We learned lessons from him which we still use to protect ourselves today. I call that important.

It is not like saying Peter Sutcliffe or Manson were important. They did not change the world. Hitler did. I do not mean to support him in ANY way, nor his regime, but people who change the world have affected every single one of us. The others you mentioned have not affected the average person in any way (except their victims). Total different ball game as far as I am concerned.

In life we have to put up with things like autographs which are offensive. That's part of life, again, we learn from it, without those things we would not appreciate the opposite, the good things.
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby Dirty Old Yank » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:47 pm

With all due and very sincere respect (which is considerable) I fear you've misinterpreted my meaning and implications of what has been collectively posted. If thorough conceptual continuity has been mislaid then there's little point in continuing this line of discussion. Yes, those that forget (or more accurately, are denied access to) history are doomed to repeat it, but I for one find the notion of criminal artifacts lying around the house as revolting as firearms. I repeat and stand by it: no rational person pays unfathomable sums of cash for Hitler's autograph. What is the point? It's refuse! Are accredited handwriting specialists gonna glean something new from his longhand? Erm...not likely. Besides, they're not purchasing them are they.
It has never been nor is it now my intent to criticize you Phil. I hope that's quite clear. :)
If we're gonna carry on perhaps we should do so in private.
In any event (back on topic) wish I could afford that signed limited edition, was rummaging old threads a while back and jealously admired the photo Archie. Argh! lol
Chances are it'd never get here in one piece anyway, frame and all, even if I could afford it.
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby PhilGlass » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:01 pm

Oh don't worry about it mate, I know like in our private debates everything is meant as discussion and with the utmost respect. You know we're mates, it's all cool and really interesting!

I must admit, I like autographs I collected in person, though not that I've collected many. It's the memory that goes with them I guess. Then there is also those who buy for investment, some go up in value, though usually that's because the person is deceased so I guess as a fan there's a good and bad side to it!!

In that theory, let's hope Ray and Alan's never increase in value because they live forever!! Or let's hope we have both sides of it!! :)
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Re: signed galton and simpson prints

Postby Elbolsa » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:20 pm

hi all,
i've just read this post and can assure you that Hitlers autograph is no where near the most expensive autograph that you can buy.He is relatively easy to get as he signed absolutely tons of pieces of paper during his time.A decent Neil Armstrong would cost more than Hitler and he's still alive.Mind you he stopped signing 20 years or so ago.Whilst i was auctioneering (i've retired after 40 years)the holy grail was the bard William.Elbolsa
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