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Leonard Rossiter character(s)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:22 pm
by Ahrold!
As we know, Leonard Rossiter appeared in 2 episodes of Steptoe. Once early on in "The lead man cometh", then later on in "The desperate hours"

Also we know that both times, he played a villain. Once as a conman/thief and the next time as a convict.

Now, what I have always wondered the convict he plays in the later episode supposed to be the same character as the "welsh" conman we saw in the black and white episode, now imprisoned after years of crime?

Has anybody else ever considered this, or does anybody know if this is was what the writers meant?

I know he has a welsh accent in the first appearance, and a london accent in the next, but that could be explained by him being a devious type.

Look forward to your replies.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:08 pm
by bob
Good Question

My view is that he plays two different characters.

It was common in the early days of "sitcom" to feature the same actor in different roles. Steptoe wasn't to bad at this although the winner for most Steptoe appeatances is Frank Thornton with 5 different roles.

Even the Vicar played a doctor in one episode.

Still the idea of the character returning in a different guise is a good one.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:55 pm
by Rian
thats an intresting point to make
but seeing as in Steptoe they used the same actors more than once most probably means it was just a coinsidance

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:50 pm
by Archie
Yootha Joyce appeared in 'the Bath' as Harolds girlfriend. Then she was in the second movie 'Steptoe and son Ride Again' as a relative of the Steptoes :o

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:43 pm
by Rian
Ive just posted a review on "the lead man cometh" starring Leonard Rossiter,which is one of my favourite episodes.

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:41 pm
by thatsthatthen
Well I need to get something off me chest.

I'm reading the Steptoe and Son book. You know, the expensive one that was never reprinted.

It's pretty good as it goes through each episode and offers a commentary and analysis. Pity it came too late to do it properly by interviewing cast and crew...

Anyway. We all know the G&S liked to use titles which they have adapted from real plays, films, songs, phrases, Shakespearean soliloquies etc.

The Lead Man Cometh is no exception. It's from The Ice Man Cometh by Eugene O'Neill. I know this because I was sad enough to fly to London in order to see Kevin Spacey at the Old Vic when he first came over to the UK many, many years ago. Gawd I even met him and got him to sign (of all things) my baseball cap!!

So, page 83 of the book says the play was by Arthur Miller. It may have addressed similar themes to Death of a Salesman, but sorry you simply cannot forgive such poor research!



PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:42 am
by borethus
Archie wrote:Yootha Joyce appeared in 'the Bath' as Harolds girlfriend. Then she was in the second movie 'Steptoe and son Ride Again' as a relative of the Steptoes :o

Joyce also appeared as Avis in 'A Box In Town' (1965).

Re: Leonard Rossiter character(s)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:01 pm
by PhilGlass
Definitely not, in my opinion.

Remember, these were made in the days before home video so you would never watch "The Lead Man Cometh" and then "The Desparate Hours" together. They were almost a decade apart. Same reason there were continuity errors - if a character said something in 1974 how could anyone remember they said the opposite in 1964?

It does give the episode a different angle if you put that interpretation to it. I welcome your interpretation and think Steptoe is so well written we may all have different interpretations of the same episodes. And all are justifiable.

Re: Leonard Rossiter character(s)

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:45 pm
by Uncle Nobby
Another vote for Definitely Not!

Because in the Lead Man Cometh he is blatantly Welsh whereas in Desperate Hours he isn't Welsh.

Also in Desperate Hours it says that he was a Bank Clerk until the older Convict came into the bank...